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  Do you still believe in God?

  by IT Support in

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  i'm a recent departee and am now re-evaluating all my previous beliefs and there's none more fundamental.

  however, i'm not sure where to start: i'm sure i don't need to say there's an enormous amount of nonsense out there.

  frankly, in spite of their other stupid teachings, i am considering reviewing again the articles in wt library as i think they do try to sincerely prove the existence of god.

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  franklin J,

  But I do believe something is responsible for our existence.

  What? Who? And why?

  Thanks,

  Ken
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  Do you still believe in God?

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm a recent departee and am now re-evaluating all my previous beliefs and there's none more fundamental.

  however, i'm not sure where to start: i'm sure i don't need to say there's an enormous amount of nonsense out there.

  frankly, in spite of their other stupid teachings, i am considering reviewing again the articles in wt library as i think they do try to sincerely prove the existence of god.

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  Blueblades,

  It has been said:"No one can prove the existence of God,and,No one can prove that God does not exist."

  It then boils down to a belief system or personal experience of some kind that leads one to believe in God.

  You may be right, though I don't know if I relish the prospect of such uncertainty.

  Life was certainly much simpler inside Watchtower... <sigh>

  Regards,

  Ken
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  Do you still believe in God?

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm a recent departee and am now re-evaluating all my previous beliefs and there's none more fundamental.

  however, i'm not sure where to start: i'm sure i don't need to say there's an enormous amount of nonsense out there.

  frankly, in spite of their other stupid teachings, i am considering reviewing again the articles in wt library as i think they do try to sincerely prove the existence of god.

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  Sargon,

  Frankly I don't beleive in God or the Devil, so i'm rarely disappointed.

  I'm not sure why, but this reminds me of the old story of one child asking another whether he believed in the Devil.

  The second replied, "Of course not, it just like Santa Claus, he's your father!"

  Thanks,

  Ken

  PS Love your name and photo.
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  Do you still believe in God?

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm a recent departee and am now re-evaluating all my previous beliefs and there's none more fundamental.

  however, i'm not sure where to start: i'm sure i don't need to say there's an enormous amount of nonsense out there.

  frankly, in spite of their other stupid teachings, i am considering reviewing again the articles in wt library as i think they do try to sincerely prove the existence of god.

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  blind zebra,

  a tree is known by its fruit. every tree that does not poduce good fruit will be cut down and thrown ito the fire.

  I guess if that were true, the Society would have been reduced to ashes around 88 years ago.

  TASTE and see that Jehovah is good. What tastes bad is not from Jehovah.

  No argument there, though we are drifting off subject...

  Thanks for your thoughts,

  Ken
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  Do you still believe in God?

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm a recent departee and am now re-evaluating all my previous beliefs and there's none more fundamental.

  however, i'm not sure where to start: i'm sure i don't need to say there's an enormous amount of nonsense out there.

  frankly, in spite of their other stupid teachings, i am considering reviewing again the articles in wt library as i think they do try to sincerely prove the existence of god.

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  Sassy,

  I just do not believe that the only path to worshiping him is with the WTS.

  I think we'd all agree with you, there!

  I think there are other paths to get there. Just maybe it isn't with any organized religions. It seems to me they are all hypocritical.

  I suspect you may be right that all organised religions are hypocritical, though I've no personal experience. Are you commenting from your own experiences, or from what you've seen on TV, etc?

  Thanks for your thoughts.

  Ken
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  Do you still believe in God?

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm a recent departee and am now re-evaluating all my previous beliefs and there's none more fundamental.

  however, i'm not sure where to start: i'm sure i don't need to say there's an enormous amount of nonsense out there.

  frankly, in spite of their other stupid teachings, i am considering reviewing again the articles in wt library as i think they do try to sincerely prove the existence of god.

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  Kansas District Overbeer

  I also believe that there are several higher powers that do exist though. Other gods and goddesses and the such.

  Isn't that what the Mormons believe?

  Reasons I dont believe in the biblical god though are pretty easy. First of, the biblical god is one of humility and love right? Well.... how humble can someone be when he orders people throughout time to write a book about how good he is and all the things he has done for mankind so we would worship him? God is the only (if he exists) person in history to commit genocide more than once... all because people wouldnt follow him. What a god of love. eh? I can keep going and going but I think you get the gist.

  Isn't it funny that, for some people, the Bible confirms God's existence, while for others if proves he doesn't exist.

  Of course, the alleged divine authorship of the Bible is another whole thread in itself (as if it probably hasn't already been flogged to death here!). I guess the central question, though, is whether the Bible is a record of God's Word to humans, or a record of human experiences of god...

  Then again, if there is a Biblical God, and the Bible really is his Word, then you will believe what it says about a coming Day of Judgment, that would apparently make any previous genocides pale by comparison.

  Regards,

  Ken
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  Do you still believe in God?

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm a recent departee and am now re-evaluating all my previous beliefs and there's none more fundamental.

  however, i'm not sure where to start: i'm sure i don't need to say there's an enormous amount of nonsense out there.

  frankly, in spite of their other stupid teachings, i am considering reviewing again the articles in wt library as i think they do try to sincerely prove the existence of god.

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  stillajwexelder,

  JUST ABOUT

  WHY? Thanks, Ken
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  Do you still believe in God?

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm a recent departee and am now re-evaluating all my previous beliefs and there's none more fundamental.

  however, i'm not sure where to start: i'm sure i don't need to say there's an enormous amount of nonsense out there.

  frankly, in spite of their other stupid teachings, i am considering reviewing again the articles in wt library as i think they do try to sincerely prove the existence of god.

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  Sirona,

  My faith in God (and Goddess) stemmed from a lot of delving into ALL religions and ideas, asking God to direct me to my path, then actually allowing that to open my eyes to many things.

  Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not criticising you, but isn't that in itself rather circular, asking God to direct your path, if you're not convinced he/she/it even exists...?

  Take a look at all the good people out there, then look at the beauty of the world itself... Don't let everyday life stop you from noticing the things that really matter. Learn by yourself, you don't need anyone else to tell you who God is.

  I agree that, at this stage of my exploration, this seems to be one of the strongest arguments for a 'divine being.' The problem is, I'm not sure if, in trying to reach beyond that, you don't hit a dead-end without introducing other sources, such as the Bible, etc.

  That said, some days I think I've got it figured out and something happens which shows that I know next to nothing about it all. There are no 100% infallible answers.

  I think you may have hit the nail on the head: my problem is I'm too accustomed to WT's '100% infallible answers.'

  Gonna hafta kick that habit...

  Thanks,

  Ken
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  Do you still believe in God?

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm a recent departee and am now re-evaluating all my previous beliefs and there's none more fundamental.

  however, i'm not sure where to start: i'm sure i don't need to say there's an enormous amount of nonsense out there.

  frankly, in spite of their other stupid teachings, i am considering reviewing again the articles in wt library as i think they do try to sincerely prove the existence of god.

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  Narkissos,

  Realistically, I don't.

  I've a horrible feeling I may end up reaching the same conclusion, though I'd far prefer it would be otherwise...

  My main basis is the very history of the concept of God, which had a beginning (say, in the 6th century BC with Deutero-Isaiah = Isaiah 40-55),

  Are you suggesting there was no concept of God before the 6th century BC? Surely even the written record of the Bible is around a thousand years older, never mind the many 'pagan' concepts of God that went before those (and from which many of the characteristics of the Biblical God is allegedly drawn)?

  and an end as far as mainstream Western culture is concerned (as finely expressed by Nietzsche).

  I'm afraid my knowledge of Nietzsche is sadly lacking (my sole 'further education' was attending the Pioneer Service School!). What was his point?

  I am sure the WT makes a sincere though shallow attempt at proving the existence of God, since it is an essential part of its power over people.

  Yes, I understand what you mean.

  However, to be honest to theism, I don't think it represents the best of philosophical arguments for the existence of God -- even though what I have seen elsewhere doesn't convince me either.

  What are 'the best of philosophical arguments for the existence of God' and where can I find out more about them? Thanks, Ken
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  Do you still believe in God?

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm a recent departee and am now re-evaluating all my previous beliefs and there's none more fundamental.

  however, i'm not sure where to start: i'm sure i don't need to say there's an enormous amount of nonsense out there.

  frankly, in spite of their other stupid teachings, i am considering reviewing again the articles in wt library as i think they do try to sincerely prove the existence of god.

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  darkuncle29,

  I do believe in A creator of the multiverse. I also believe that he/she/it IS the universe-multiverse.

  May I ask what led you to this conclusion? Any references or links for further reading?

  Thanks,

  Ken